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vanillafluffy ([personal profile] vanillafluffy) wrote2011-01-11 07:57 pm
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Veggie Tales

One of my NYRs has been to consume some veggies every day. I'm keeping my definiton of "vegetables" broad---I imclude beans and V8 juice---and so far, I'm keeping up with it. (And for the record, Ruby Tuesday's grilled green beans are out of this world! They taste almost meaty; they definitely have more character than any green bean I've ever had before, including Cracker Barrel's "touch of bacon" beans.)

Tonight's dinner was half a bag of stir-fry snap bean medley (Great Value brand) over rice, dash of soy sauce. Yum. New year, new lifestyle (It's NOT a diet!), trying new things---yesterday, I sampled fried okra for the first time. Beats the hell out of boiled okra, is all I'm gonna say. There's yellow squash in the medley, I shut up and ate squash.

As I was forking up snap peas and rice and broccoli, I was thinking about the whole "diet" versus "lifestyle" ethos, and the thought popped into my head, "I have to spend the rest of my life eating this crap?!".

Because deep down, I'm not completely convinced that vegetables count as Real Food. Growing up, vegetables as a side accompanied Sunday dinner, but the rest of the week, er, no. It was eggs for breakfast, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch and a hamburger on bread for dinner most nights, except for Thursday, which was Aunt Mary's spaghetti night. Occasionally one of the 'rents would make stir-fry---they were into wok before wok was in---so I *did* develop a taste for bean sprouts and water chestnuts and the like. Those were exotic veggies, though, so they got a pass for novelty.

When my dad was working evenings, Mom would fix me a burger and herself a salad. She was always trying to lose weight, although I think the most she ever weighed was 160. Anyway, I got it into my head at a young age that that was a kind of self-denial---not something I've ever been good at. (We've already established my feelings on the subject of iceburg lettuce.)

In fact, I'd say I'm "self-taught" on a lot of vegetables. Two, for example, are spinach and mushrooms. My mother regarded spinach in any form as toxic; she was forced to consume it when she was a child in the children's home she was in, and she wouldn't have any form of it in the house. GK served a spinach salad at her bridesmaids' luncheon, and I discovered that fresh spinach is perfectly acceptable as an edible green leaf. The jury's still out on the boiled form.

Mom also had a neurosis about mushrooms. She cautioned me often never, never, EVER to eat any mushrooms that might have sprouted on the lawn, and like spinach, she wouldn't have them in the house. I finally had the spiphany that I'd never heard of *anyone* being poisoned by the mushrooms on a pizza. Because they're specially raised, domestic mushrooms. So yeah, sauteed mushrooms at a steakhouse? Hell yes!

Likewise, broccoli and cauliflower were things I wasn't made to eat as a kid. I'm not thrilled by either one, but I'll eat then. Ditto squash.

Green beans are nice, especially fresh, I love a *good* tomato, I'll entertain carrots raw or cooked, celery when I'm in the mood. Members of the onion family, particularly shallots and Vidalias. One of the things I like best about onions is their longevity, because it's shameful how often I've vowed to "clean up my act", bought a fridge full of veggies, which then sat there and rotted.

I just don't have a whole helluva lot of enthusiasm for most veggies. I know in theory they're good for me and all that happy crappy (and have I mentioned gas?! OMG!), and maybe when it gets to be summer and there's fresh stuff available and I can learn to cook it---maybe then I'll enjoy them, but at this point, all these veggies are underwhelming me.

Thoughts? Pep talks? Recipes?

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[identity profile] torn-eledhwen.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
I quite often do casserole things with vegetables and sometimes some meat in there too - particularly good at this time of year. Get some carrots and parsnips (if you can get parsnips in your part of the world) and leeks and onions and maybe potatoes (which also count as veggies), and any other root vegetable around, chop them all up roughly. Fry the onions off in a big pan and brown any meat you want to use, chuck in the rest of the veggies, pour in some tinned chopped tomatoes and a bit of water, put a lid on and let it simmer for a while until the veggies are as soft as you want them. Eat. With crusty bread or something. And you can mess around with it and add lentils or chick peas or other pulses, different herbs and spices - it doesn't really matter. Very very healthy and very very yummy. Also, easy.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I've ever knowing met a parsnip, but they may be lurking on the produce aisle along with the daikon radishes. Hmm, yes, this probably would be a good time for me to bring out my slow cooker and stew something....

[identity profile] torn-eledhwen.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
More likely to be next to carrots. They're basically a white carrot, after all. But you know any root vegetable casseroles well. And you don't even need a slow cooker - I just have a deep stainless steel pan with a lid.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I've also got a stainless pot or two or three, and a bunch of ceramic casserole dishes. I'm just lazy about things like that. Bung it into the slow cooker and ignore it til it smells god, is my method of cooking.
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[identity profile] torn-eledhwen.livejournal.com 2011-01-13 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
But veggies don't take long to cook - I'd still argue you'd be better off doing a veggie casserole in a pot on the stove. You still don't need to touch it once everything's in the pot. It'll be done in 45 minutes. Honest. An hour in total including the chopping.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-13 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That's another reason I've avoided veggies---not a clue how to cook them most of the time.

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[identity profile] torn-eledhwen.livejournal.com 2011-01-13 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I've always been of the opinion that experimenting is the best way of learning how to cook. Vegetables can be cooked in so many ways - roast, casseroled, stir-fried, steamed, boiled - and you can cook most of them any way you want. Also they never need cooking that long.

[identity profile] ang5fam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Growing up, we only had spinach out of a can- YUCK! Double YUCK! As an adult,I discovered fresh. We saute it in a pan with oil and fresh garlic. Taste is delish.
I also saw where frozen veggies with sauce are still low in calories so I bought broccoli in cheese sauce as well as cauliflower. Not a fan of the cauliflower so thought this might help it go down. I have been doing the V8 low sodium in place of one Diet Coke. Not every day- I have to be in the mood.
Good luck! I've promised myself the same thing. Made a big salad last night to eat with the baked spaghetti I made. Hated to waste the left-over spaghetti!

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Cauiflower is SO bland, but there's not much a good cheese sauce can't cure. It even takes the burned rubber taste away from black-eyed peas!

[identity profile] ang5fam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Love black-eyed peas- if you buy the can of Hoppin John, it's black eyed peas with tomato and onion mixed in- over rice, it's super yummy!

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Come to think of it, I believe I have a can of Hoppin' John in my pantry....
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[personal profile] ladyjane 2011-01-15 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
I love cheese sauce, but it has a ton of calories. :(

My favorite way to fix cauliflower is mock-mashed potatoes. Cook until soft. Sprinkle with a little garlic powder, add a bit of butter, and mash until smooth. The texture is a little grainy, but you can add some instant potatoes to make it smoother.

Plain black-eyed peas can be jazzed up with a Cajun or Mexican spice mix. They are also good with a litle ham or bacon chopped in them.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-15 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
A hit of Parmesan has substantionally fewer calories than cheese sauce, and really does add great flavor.

Most things are better with bacon!

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[identity profile] ang5fam.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I refuse to go on any more "diets." Just trying to change some of my strange, foreign ways!

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm trying to tell myself that I need to pay attention to what I eat. Because so much of the time, I'm not hungry-hungry, I just want the taste of something. And then I keep eating til it's gone.

[identity profile] sbjb.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Spinach can be yummy, depending on what you do with it. For those of you what doesn't like spinach, this page includes a recipe that turned my entire family from "Spinach-Yuck!" to "Spinach! More please?" Most of the other recipes contain spinach (and other veggies) in varying quantities, too.

http://e-fic.com/_fw/recipes.html

You can find my two favorites, in a more formal layout, with pictures and reviews here:

http://www.food.com/recipe-finder/all/subethjimbob

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Serves 12?! Holy cannoli, I'd be eating spinach for a week. It *does* sound good, just a little more, quantitatively, than I need.

BTW, has S sent you a FB friend request?
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[identity profile] sbjb.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Ayup, she has. I've been ignoring it. I still don't know what I want to do with that situation.

As for the Spinach Casserole, the version at the second link is smaller (1/2 of the ingredients). However, as my sister and I can attest with great vigor, it's really good cold, too. ::grin::

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That's still a helluva lot of casserole. If I make it, I'll have to bring you some.

IKWYM. Even though she was coherent the last time I talked to her (I keep meaning to get the caller ID on computer pop-up), it seems like she only ever calls to boo-hoo in my ear. Yes, I know that sounds hard-hearted, but I never got any sympathy out of her when *I* was coming unglued. I'm tired of enabling her drama. Oh, and she also whines that you don't love her any more and she doesn't understand why you never call her or answer her messages. Have been very tempted to say it's because you don't want to deal with her shit any more than I do, but I don't want to stir that particular pot.
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[identity profile] foreverhermit.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Never been a big veggie lover either though my mother adores them and tried her damndest to introduce them to my siblings and me. Oh, I love the staples like potatoes, tomatoes, lettuce, celery, corn, beans, carrots and asparagus. Can't stand broccoli, cauliflower, turnips, parsnips, onion, mushroom, squash or any of those 'weird' ones (artichokes, et al). So yeah, I eat enough of them to get by but I could never survive as a vegetarian!

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
No love for asparagus. Makes me think of that George Carlin routine about not eating certain things because of their names, like yogurt. (Which I love, but George didn't.) And artichokes is best as the punchline of the shaggy dog story about the cut-rate hitman: Artie chokes three for a dollar!

Some stuff, it just depends what it's in. I love sauerkraut, and chinese cabbage in stir-fry, but I think cole slaw is an abomination.

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[identity profile] foreverhermit.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods*

Sauerkraut is the ONLY way I'll eat cabbage. And that sweet potato dish with the marshmallow smeared all over it? *throws up in my mouth* GROSS! Cole slaw I can take or leave (mostly leave).

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't remember if I've ever recounted this story, but the year my mom died, some people from his church invited us to Thanksgiving dinner. Sweet potatoes had never been a part of my Yankee childhood experience; I thought that stuff was some kind of whacked-out crustless pumpkin pie and took a big helping. Eeeeww! Nasty McGnarly.
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[identity profile] foreverhermit.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
ROFL! I never had it growing up (though my mother loves sweet potato with butter and salt). I first encountered it at Asshat's mother's house the first Thanksgiving after we started dating. Seriously, when I realized what it was my gag reflex was triggered BIG TIME.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-12 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I was lucky in that HWSNBN's step-dad was/is an awesome cook. I still remember his prime rib with Yorkshire pudding with great fondness.

When it came to veggies, his mom was a ferocious gardner; she was always sending me home with produce.

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[identity profile] pwcorgigirl.livejournal.com 2011-01-13 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I've mentioned before that my mother was not a good cook. She might have been if she'd seasoned anything properly, but she didn't and everything was bland and/or boiled to death. My brother and I used to plot to do away with her pressure cooker, and we were nearly adults before we realized that most meats are not served in a bowl of hot water.

We had big gardens growing up, and I love most vegetables, but won't eat the ones that were forced on us meal after meal as children -- namely field peas and creamed corn. *shudder*

I like to fix a big plate of steamed veggies (frozen is fine) and eat it with rice and just a smidge of soy sauce. I buy several kinds of bagged frozen veggies and mix them together in a big Ziploc to get exactly what I like. A cup of that, a cup of brown rice, and a salmon patty, and that's great eating. :)

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-14 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
My mom was a pretty good cook, and I remember helping her snap the onds off of fresh green beans. We were doubly lucky, becausse our neighbor across the street, Mr. Spinelli (an Italian gentleman of advanced years) was generous with surplus produce from his garden and gave us things like tomatoes and corn right from the stalk. Mmmm, best corn ever!

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[personal profile] ladyjane 2011-01-14 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
I can offer a few tips I've discovered through trial and error, and some reading.

- Bright colored veggies (and fruits) are your friend.

- Steer clear of corn, potatoes, white veggies, white rice, and sweet potatoes. They have the highest starch and sugar content. Brown rice has a slight nutty flavor. Both 'Minute Rice' and 'Uncle Ben's' have quick cooking brown rice.

- Spinach is a great substitute for lettuce in salads and sandwiches.

- Another good veggie for sandwiches is bagged salads. The "Baby Spring Mix" is really good with chicken or ham on Sour Dough or Whole Wheat.

- Speaking of bagged salads, they are a great way to turn a small portion of meat into a satisfying meal. Dice a chicken thigh, toss with a cup or so of salad mix, drizzled lightly with dressing and you're done.

- Don't overcook veggies. I was used to having them boiled to death. They are best served al dente. Cook them just until you can poke them easily with fork. I throw a cup of those Great Value mixed veggies in the microwave for 3-5 minutes and they're done.

- When cooking rice or potatoes, add a bit of canned chicken broth to the water.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-14 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I also like to use broth with leftover rice and odds and ends to make an impromtu chicken and rice soup.

Also, a can of diced tomatoes and a can of beans added to a skillet of group beef is pretty darn tasty and will probably stretch for a day or two. Drain the deef first!

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[personal profile] ladyjane 2011-01-15 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
I forgot to mention digestive enzymes for the gas.
I use Advanced Enzyme Optima by Rainbow Light. They're the same enzymes your body uses for digestion. You can get them on Amazon. A bit expensive, so I don't take them with every meal (which they suggest). I take one in the morning. If I eat a lot of veggies, rich foods, overeat, or have a touch of indigestion, I take another.


[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-15 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Good to know!

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[identity profile] smtfhw.livejournal.com 2011-01-25 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Coming in late on this one too, to say I love most vegetables with the exception of the Jerusalem artichoke, which is completely pointless. And I mean completely.

Hard to beat lovely, freshly cooked carrots though - peeled, sliced, put in a little cold water with a small dollop of butter and a teaspoon of sugar, brought to the boil, then allowed to simmer for between 10 and 15 minutes depending on how big the chunks of carrot are. You do have to watch them because if they run out of water they'll stick and burn, but they seriously don't take much time.

[identity profile] vanillafluffy.livejournal.com 2011-01-25 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, indeed! I do love some sweet, tender carrots.

Right now, what I really need is to clear out my fridge so I can make room for more fresh veggies.

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